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**AUTO GENERATED PODCAST TRANSCRIPT** [Music] welcome this is Dave and Andy Teleposky and you're listening to on point cast episode three of the podcast as Andy and I interviewing Dan, Allen, Ned & Mike members of the band thousand suns which was a new jersey-based rock band the band recorded a couple of eps demo tapes and some live shows during their time together in their early two-thousands we hope you enjoy the interview and here in some of the Bands studio and live music on point can be heard on Apple podcasts Spotify and Sam cloud among other podcasts and platforms and you can follow us on all the major social media platforms by searching on point chat or by visiting WWF is calm [Music] such tri-state [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] all right so we're here with the guys from thousand suns and we have Andy here with the first question for the guys history behind the band I think I said I was looking for a bass player and he raised his hand online so that's how I'll start up now we're gonna get into one of the band's tracks right now maybe this track is called every step now you're listening to on point cast you [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] with uncertainty [Music] I'll be right here by your side [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] you [Music] [Applause] [Music] Haupt and allan and djaq influence each other musically and tell us a little about the recording process one thing I noticed I remember the day their drumsticks he got his first Tam and genomic it was a starter kit cool no you know I don't know if you know Allen but they were they're doing they're doing some tours again or something actually we're playing like an acoustic there's this place in there's place in Garwood New Jersey called crossroads and I'm actually believe I'm actually in December I think Dan's going to we're going to see shelter at Cross in what was it last year I saw Murphy's Law there which was a good show and loo from sick of it all was there hanging out what are you gonna do all right so I want you guys talk about want you guys talk about the big blue meanie recording is that where you guys recorded yes Jay Kastner right remember that we thought we'd go in Saturday and walk out Sunday at least everything about vocals done right right it wasn't until hell after dinner that we even started to track oh my god do you guys um do you guys remember like why you actually chose like that place to record [Music] there and I've heard nothing but good things about it cause like you know why don't we give it a shot for in a defensible period coin what's offensive that someone but somewhere they know you know they would do a good job and I see all that the times Inc limini did a fantastic job sure yes yes well I always deferred to stand with a kid to the sound to the quality of places you know yeah you would know looking back looking back we could have got a lot I would say the next choice [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] so man [Music] try [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] try [Music] what bands do you play with and where did you guys play shows where did we play shows what bands did you play with you guys yeah what's the deal with that guy PJ you guys had some guy PJ working for you or something JP that's right [Music] the oldest handler we were we were different than most bands we were coming at the time we were playing that new metal phase yeah yeah I need to sound like smoothies well this how like wind biscuits correct though we as it's been put to me by close friend of ours John we were years ahead of our time a little difficult sometimes for us to fit in on certain bills yeah I know we played the Birch Hill nightclub which was aside from dystonia hood probably the biggest venue in New Jersey in my opinion I believe there were some shows up in Hoboken as well I believe we did a club than a show the dad old joint what about the state didn't we plate the seat and we did one of those iconic places to date it's no longer there but I'll never forget l'amour Brooklyn oh alright so we have a live clip right now from one of the band's live shows which I believe was at the Birch Hill nightclub which was in Old Bridge New Jersey and this is an oldie but a goodie Nemeth track is boys of summer Don Henley's classic track one which a number of bands have covered including the Ataris code seven and my personal opinion I think code seven did did a really good job on that track when they covered it the Ataris version is more commercial but anyway here's thousand suns take or thousand suns version on the same track Don Henley's boys of summer and you're listening to on pulling cast [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] what are you guys doing musically now I know Dan's doing DJ guys talk about that [Applause] [Music] you expand on that LaBelle and like so like what was your experience like over there so I'm very saying it's like like cutthroat is that were you're talking about in terms of trying to make it for bands the best most pound you constantly hear well this song is good for what you can't say this and that song you're not allowed to say this in that song and it just it could be jump you know I think that's one of the reasons why I love the band so much because say what we wanted in our song yeah can't say it that way are you saying there's politics in the music yes music really you guys have any individual you guys have any plans for music my goal is to be able to have kid say to their friends yo my dad's playing here here tonight let's go let's go watch and have them come out no cool smack can I go up slapping up flipping it rubbing it down I eventually want action it's the music down here in Florida just not quite ready but if I do I just want to play drums and rock [Music] when I come up to New Jersey to plan two days one where we just rehearsed the next day will replace yeah cool [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] you have characterized ourselves as a rock band or an emo band or what we just play now dan we were saying what kind of band did you guys characterize yourselves as like emo punk rock you can owe me like to make Beethoven Stephanie heavy I would to to follow up on what Dan said like negat really what we were doing I think we were able to really showcase a lot of different sounds but then you have stuff like let it fade which was like the windows down car like sound toss about nostalgia song that was that was written after 9/11 there was a bunch that we didn't record you know I actually have that I actually have that you guys did WS so you and I haven't acoustic of it I'm gonna I'm gonna put that I'm gonna put that in it sounds good it's there's a bunch there was a bunch that was that so yes [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] because [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] what you know No [Music] where y'all was back [Music] [Music] you a unique writing style then a very unique way of writing lyrics which I always admired wait Alan didn't Alan didn't you I'm didn't use to write some lyrics too though Alan play different drum beats and stuff and then Mike would do this thing and for some reason I wrote about Natasha it was like Angel Fire calm slash thousand suns I have no reason to be in the middle of it don't really know what's going on and it's gotta be do the kids gotta be doing something right kids have to be doing so well don't listen to their I listen to the to the manufactured you know electronic music there's no there's no guitars anymore there's no is that a yogi Judaism it's real yeah that's there should be books there should be what course is devoted to such theory it was the demo tape game in a CD game now you got YouTube and all everything else was like we were trying to get on a radio station and we're trying to like yeah now you don't need to do that baby I remember you guys playing that I used to play that bold cover oh yes all right guys closing thoughts twenty-something years now yeah well sure we're gonna do it we're chefs inside of you cuz I've been thinking that too I want to play I gotta play one more time we got to do it cool yeah you know that's so funny you say that because I don't think we knew when we were playing when we played that it was gonna be the end no it's just go and done with that happy pub that's right [Music] big shots big shot the Dukes cool I enjoyed it I enjoyed putting that out there this was fun again Dave said quote it's one thing to message but hearing hearing your knives voices your beautiful voice yes is that a window that's a Wendy's triple stack should I stand my bags and leave this goddamn town because I can't forget all those words you said spider you went to keep me you're excused cuz I can't stand ready to bring north now we need the spoken [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] [Laughter] [Music] another choice to make I'll never tell when I slide [Applause] if your knife is through my back [Music] let you win [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] all right so Andy and I want to thank the guys and thousand suns for doing this podcast for OnPoint cast on point cast calm believe you guys off with the last track let it fade which is probably their best track in my opinion and probably their most successful track that got some decent radio play for college radio and they're burly to thousands it's fun to hear the guys reminisce about their days playing gigs throughout New Jersey and just enjoying that time period Andy and I hope you enjoyed the podcast and we hope to be back with you all real soon with another edition of OnPoint cast [Music] it's fighting time morning Cornish possibile [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] English (auto-generated) Up next AUTOPLAY
THE GAME AIN’T THE SAME Maybe it's just me, What I see I can’t believe So many filled with greed So many that’s naive Then again, it's not their fault It's how they were taught So to "The Man," that I'll never see Look what you have brought Disarrayed are the ways of today It’s a shame but the game just ain’t the same For the keepers faith of hate has set our fate and laid our shallow graves that await traps laid have been sprung the time has come so now it’s either all or none traps laid have been sprung the time has come so now it’s either all or none People with no voices With no choices Only Stress The situation we are placed in, Is Hell at its best The test of time reminds my mind that it’s now or never So c'mon y’all before we fall we gotta get this shit together (repeat) It’s a shame but the game just ain’t the same, who’s to blame? It’s a shame but the game just ain’t the same, who’s to blame? FUGUE DARKNESS it surrounds me as I fall into another void SILENCE encircles my soul as another day is destroyed FEAR my only emotion as I journey into the night Hoping I’ll see the sunlight Destroying my sanity, separate the fantasy from reality. Images of my soul, shattered no control Destroying my sanity, separate the fantasy from reality. Images of my soul, shattered no control Clouds of grey are over me, casting shadows on the ground. A bird in the sky is flying high and suddenly falls down. The Sound of the voices in my mind and their desperate cries, disguise the lies Destroying my sanity, separate the fantasy from reality. Images of my soul, shatter no control Destroying my sanity, separate the fantasy from reality. Images of my soul, shatter no control Destroy my sanity, Destroy my sanity, Destroy my sanity, Destroy my sanity, Destroy my sanity Destroy my sanity, Destroy my sanity WHAT? DUST Trust Crushed To Dust As Hate, Takes Its Place I Dared to Care Unaware, of Pain’s Bitter Taste Hypnotized by Lies Disguised in Your Eyes The More Time Passes By The More, I Deny Taste The Pain of Blind Faith I Put it All at Stake Bliss in Ignorance, But Now I’m Awake Sleeping Hearts Are Easy to Break Love’s Design is Fine Two, Minds Intertwine But Threads, that are Woven To Loosely Can Be Broken Trust Crushed To Dust Never Tread in Worn Paths Keep Faith But Know It Won’t Last I was Down, for The Ride But Unprepared for The Crash Taste The Pain of Blind Faith I Put it All at Stake Bliss in Ignorance, But Now I’m Awake Sleeping Hearts Are Easy to Break Love’s Design is Fine Two, Minds Intertwine But Threads, that are Woven To Loosely Can Be Broken Trust Crushed To Dust Trust crushed to dust Trust crushed to dust Trust crushed to dust Trust crushed to dust Trust crushed to dust Trust crushed to dust WIN OR LOSE Feel it. HERE WE GO! IT’S LIKE THIS! As soon as you’re born you’re in the match Ain’t no turning back once your caught in the trap The truth? The fake can’t take The truth? Can break a heart Take apart a soul that was weak from the start You’ll get burned, if you play with fire With desires think twice or pay the price Sacrifice what could have been Win or Lose, It’s All Just A Game All about numbers not of names It’s a constant race with no finish Those who win are those who don’t diminish Against the wall see I best maintain I know pain cause I’ve seen pain But you, you don’t you can’t cope See you! Had it all It was always there you weren't prepared for the fall See lessons learned, are those lost Toss the dice you might pay the price, Sacrifice what could have been Win or Lose, It’s All Just A Game All about numbers not of names It’s a constant race with no finish Those who win are those who don’t... Diminish ...Diminish BRAILE Who's to say that today is given? The way today, society is living The temperature has risen Now conditions, ain't quite how they were visioned We’re the voice of tomorrow? And all we paint is pictures of sorrow? For the mass to swallow and follow? but what is a mass if it’s hollow? Stop and think in a blink the brink could come What was once known as one could now be none We risk it all but the fall we can’t take The futures ours to shape, miss or make Now the seeds fiend the cream for the so called dream but fail to understand its a plan on the man can’t comprehend who is friend and who is foe they just go with the flow act like they know they just go with the flow act like they know they just go with the flow act like they know they just go with the flow act like they know they just go with the flow act like they know! HESITATION IS THE ENEMY You can be in paradise or prison It’s all in your mind and your inner version, There is no such thing as a solution Just a substitution in this world of confusion A Fascination with Degradation, But it’s all a Fabrication Check the Nation, Communication None Gratification, Some Relations are Done A Creation of Devastation meant for Elation Innovation Numb Education with Regulations Classifications Insubordination Frustrations with Designations A Realization No Time For Contemplation Frustrations with Designations A Realization No Time For Contemplation Hesitation Is The Enemy Hesitation Is The Enemy Hesitation, The Enemy Hesitation Is The Enemy Be Aware We’re Almost There Stop But Don’t Stare Feel But Don’t Care Don’t Even Dare to Speak, Turn the Other Cheek, Stay Weak (repeat) Stop But Don’t Stare Feel But Don’t Care! Turn the Other Cheek, Stay Weak! TRANSMISSIONS As the World Turns, it Slowly Burns When Will We Learn to Give? Not Live Negative? Now the Bridge is Ash It Came to Fast to Grasp It’s All That is Left of the Past Transmissions Dictate Living Control Conditions Submission No Visions or Dreams Just Plans and Schemes to Get the Cream What’s Received Is Believed As The Wheels Spin As The Wheels Spin We All Live In Sin Cause The Picture’s Painted Grim For a Future To Begin We Gotta, Change What’s Within (repeat) WHAT YOU KNOW? This That Type of Beat You Take a Seat Sit Back and Relax, Twist Up Wait For The Contact and Get Buck The Heads Around My Way Know What’s Up Dying For The Day That We Play All You Ducks Half You Crews Suck The Other Half We Show Love Everyday All Day Come Around My Way We Do Our Best to Deal With Stress Even Though it’s Here to Stay So What You Know About The Click That’s Sharp Like Gillette? We Known As E-DEC Connect With Intellect, Collect The Check, Wreck Protect Your Neck Your Best Bets Just To Step and Get Off The Set Prepare for Introspect Connect With Intellect, Collect The Check Then Wreck Mad Respect Feel The Stress, Get Possessed With Nervousness We Are Blessed With Next Consciousness, Manifest My Style? Agile, Buckwild, Low Profile Ain’t No Smile On The Grill That Slept On My Skills I Kill, Any Talk That Me Not Representin Did I mention I be Dirty? Our Section, New Jersey! Everyday All Day Come Around My Way We Do Our Best to Deal With Stress Even Though it’s Here to Stay So What You Know About The Click That’s Sharp Like Gillette? We Known As E-DEC Connect With Intellect, Collect The Check, Wreck Protect Your Neck Your Best Bets Just To Step and Get Off The Set Prepare for Introspect Connect With Intellect, Collect The Check Then Wreck Mad Respect
**AUTO GENERATED PODCAST TRANSCRIPT** welcome I am Dave Teleposky and you were listening to on point cast we can be heard on soundcloud and you can follow us on all the major social media platforms by searching on point cast and by visiting wwm point cast calm Pepa so two of the podcast has me and Andy interviewing Larry Cooney jr. Larry is the lead singer for the band elements Dec which was a new jersey-based hardcore metal hip hop band the band recorded two demos one from a same New Jersey studio tracks East although they ever achieved mass popularity the lyricism and quality hook so you've allowed the fans who used to hold up ears after the band played their last show we hope you enjoy the interview and some clips of some of the Bands music and feel free to check out the lyrics shared and correct it for me by Larry himself WME cast calm we're here with Larry from elements Dec and you're listening to on point cast on point cast calm follow us at on point cast anyway our first question we have we have Andy Teleposky here also he's gonna he's gonna start us off here with the first question for Larry from ailments alright when did ailments Dec start and who were the Ben band members on the phone even though Dave we've met in the past actually so I guess we started in around 1992 it's funny because it's like we're like we're like trying to go way back here and like it's weird it seems like a long time ago but yet it doesn't at the same time so kind of relevant but maybe we'll get to that but it was like around 92 93 I actually John I'd known those guys forever I moved away from Elizabeth and eighth grade and I met a kid named Scott it turns out he wound up being the guitars for elements after he was in a little band club lifetime mean Scott basically became best friends when I moved out to develop new jersey from Elizabeth um so about 92 93 we were all just kind of hanging out and funny enough we were kind of already disenchanted with the hardcore scene yeah we were kind of talking a little smack at the show like there's no good bands anymore like we were already the old guys of the 20 someone a good friend was like oh if you guys think there's no good fans won't you do something about it and we were kind of like yeah why don't we do something about it we had all done bands before being Scott that abandoned our first band when we were like 12 so so we had all kind of done bad you know off and on but this was the first time the friends from my childhood and my new friends from my teen years kind of came together and that's how it started uh funny enough the original name of the band was cool outbreed we went by that name for about a half a year year it was what's and again cool cool out what okay yeah it said and I joined in the innocence of the cool Albury so that kind of set the stage choosing that name we eventually you know drop that knee because we all kind of agreed it was a little too but you know there was some when we first started we were basically alleyway and we kind of thought we could do our version of leeway the only thing about that was I couldn't really think and most of the first songs that we wrote they were we trying to attempt to sound like Eddie and doing a really bad job I think I think because we kind of realized that first direction that the band wasn't really gonna be what we thought it was going to be we kind of decided to start from scratch and come up with a new name and all that so okay okay so you mentioned I mean I i'll be honest i mean i i'm sure like that's different points we've like crossed paths between like your band members and stuff but i don't really know the guys in your band but you mentioned scott so he was actually in lifetime my cousin at the time lived in town and at the time I was already a heart poor kid listening punk rock and hip-hop and and I skateboarded and I moved to a pretty small suburban town where there was almost no one that did any of that literally one kid in town and my cousin was like yeah I hate to break it to you there's probably only one guy that you're gonna get along with in town Jeremy Scott he was like you happen to live like two blocks away from me I'm friends with them I'll let him know that you're moving here and that's literally how I met Scott so I knew Scott before he was even in lifetime me and him were basically like the outcasts of town so we we became close pretty quick and like I said me and him did a band probably it would been like six months of me moving to Danone we started our first bed it was called stand strong which then turned into out of hand I mean we always kind of play you know kid got loose in the hardcore do but start a band yeah yeah we're gonna get into a track right now the name of this track is hesitation is the enemy and you're listening to an interview with Larry from elements Dec OnPoint cast [Music] fascination with degradation but it's all a fabrication technician communication does ratification relation creation of devastation left over nation innovation Alma reservation went back to nation patience of automation I forgot the enemy [Music] they told in your body [Music] a fascination with degradation but it's all about me Jenna vacation ratification [Music] Jason of devastation therefore relation innovation Noma education would regulate vacations insubordination [Music] education is the enemy [Music] [Music] totally altered seats safely [Music] we're back here listening to OnPoint cast and again that was the name of that track was called hesitation is the enemy and we're gonna go back to our interview with Larry from elements Dec how do you guys end up recording with Steve edits and track piece tracks East that that's a pretty good question actually you'll get your demo I mean it you see like the liner notes in your demo I mean I have to say I mean you know it's quite obvious I mean the there two demos but I mean the sound quality is like awesome and I mean it's you know holds up till today like I said yeah thank you I appreciate it believe it or not us recording at track C happened wholly by chance we actually had time booked at another studio I don't even remember the name I couldn't remember the name if he forced me to yes all I remember is that it was by Lake a pack on New Jersey okay we had time booked that back studio and the guy basically called us the night before we had all our equipment packed up already we're ready to go the next day the guy called us the night before and said sorry I have kidney stones I'm gonna have to bail we're like okay so we were basically without a studio for awhile but we had all this cash we really wanted to go somewhere pretty good and I think it was our drummer Raj you like yeah you know I I know this place track seized I think at the time they had already made me recorded good bro I want to say like I just know we wanted to go to a good studio we actually saved up the money to do that so I think we just literally cold call them and book time and we just happen to get to be Wow and that wound up being like such a blessing because he was he was really so incredibly into us helping get the sound we wanted to get and he's also a bass player and I still think to this day one of the things that set elements apart was our bass player John yes he's one of the best play bass players I've ever known probably to kick you play any genre of bass and kill it he's just amazing so hemming Steve literally clicked right away his people so it was really cool even though we're only there three days total like Steve was really into helping us get our sound and it was just a great experience and we couldn't have been more happy with the way that came out and I think the sound of that then will really helped people kind of gravitate toward with too much I think don't get me wrong I think the music was pretty good on its own but it kind of sounded a lot more professional than your typical hardcore demo [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] did you press CDs or did you did you guys just put out demo tapes or I mean we were never really super official with things it was more just like if we played a show we had a couple tapes for people you know at that time we also did start to get we had our first manager okay you can't see me but I'm putting that in air quotes okay I think you would send them out to try to book us so we never you know unfortunately we never had any official we just kind of otherwise you know we just kind of gave them out as necessary so you know there's some out there I actually just I never had one turned out a friend of mine had one do you like human I know this is your band if you want to hear so I literally just got that like a year ago so there weren't that many copies floating in view there of our demo yeah cuz I mean I have to admit because when I when I was on WS so you you know somehow I don't even know how we got a copy or you know your CD that had all your both demos on it and yeah I just remember even people at WS so you were like man who was that band you know they sound pretty hot you know it was just like at the time like like I said everything kind of clicked into place and I kind of just felt bad that like we played you guys like I said on hardcore reality but I I guess I never really people never really knew it knew you guys or knew who you were like you know knew much about about the band catch-22 because and I wanted to say thank you for that because you guys you did play us on our core at one point you know it definitely helped at some point it's funny you say you don't know how you got the CD I think that was probably our manager Jim he did really try as hard it to know that those CDs out many people as possible yeah probably him all right so we're gonna get into another track right now and even this track is called Braille and again you're listening to an interview with Larry from elements Dec OnPoint cast [Music] [Applause] today [Music] Oh [Music] so babe nothin seeds in the Queen Mother so for dream for understanding the man Jeffrey Angela's women it was both [Music] they just go with the flow I like they know [Music] like they know what bands did you play with and where did you guys play shows ah we play with the crow mag that Studio one we played with Marauder at wetland we played with the way at a place call up the wave in Staten Island oh wow we played with train of thought multiple times at least three or four times because they were pretty much our boys and they were that was all over Jersey you know we played a play weekend theory I believe about some like church or like it was it was a crazy venue up in North Jersey I remember yeah we played with a decent amount of people we also did see this is uh name in all hardcore shows because yeah you know we kind of grow up in the hardcore scene but we played a lot of metal leading shows too and that was kind of on purpose like even though we were hardcore kids at the time most of us I'll say most of us because Scott was more from the punk rock side I think yeah but most of us were meta metalheads to begin with yeah we got introduced to hardcore so we definitely felt that elements out of a really big tinge of metal to it you know we wanted to kind of represent the fact that we were metalheads malice in the hardcore trying to do this kind of hip hop and pew style right right so we we purposely said let's try to get out of just playing hardcore shows and play all types of shows so we did like a battle the band down in Toms River like and we were like the only heavy act we we played like I said just crazy little metal shows we played that Oh chill stuff like that yeah so we played a decent amount of shows but we didn't play enough and I think that was one of the big problems like I could get into why and you want to but we kind of thought things might come to instead of going out and getting them yeah and that was the big problem with appengine did you ever travel outside of New Jersey to play any shows just an island in New York City yeah okay yeah so thing between like you know some of us for say that we need to play more so some of us know we need to be picky about what schools we play like it was it was a whole discussion that never really got resolved and you know looking back I think if we played a lot more Sue's things might have turned out slightly differently you know like who knows you can't really say but I wish we played more shows that's that's definitely one of my favorite graduate event well I was gonna say I mean I mean you know bands that I've interviewed over the years I mean like yeah a lot of them get burnt out though to me you know there was definitely especially towards the end there there's a big hint of getting burnt out I mean all in all you know if you include like the whole cool out three days that I mentioned we were a band for about five six years so that's a pretty long time in the grand scheme of things especially you know in that hardcore scene and so yeah you know definitely towards the end not even towards the end I'd been towards the middle of thing we started kind of getting hurt out and again a lot of that was what I would like to call self-imposed you know we we had this crazy delusion that we could potentially blow up that's term that we always use we could blow up we could blow up and we kind of pursued things in that direction instead of organically laying the roots so it would happen naturally yeah we tried to cut corners I would say best way to put it and what's crazy is it almost happened a lot of people don't know that we had a record which was record so we actually made it for them I mean work out because you know there's a famous in the house I think it was here doing presenting ourselves ourselves a little too deep here you know there's there were things going on behind the scenes as to why more people didn't know us as well there is a lot of I don't want to say we were pretty happy you know the entire time but what are some of your thoughts on the way is the New Jersey music scene has changed from back when you guys started to today so I you know I still pretty much consider myself part of the Phenom nowhere near right so in some so in some ways from my perspective it hasn't changed much because it seems like it's still the same people I knew from back then are part of it you know we're we're you guys you guys I like the new guys play we kind of deserved it because like I said we kind of thought we didn't necessarily want to place those in the hard course because we thought we were something other than even though we're still friends with people you know I was gonna say I mean because like the scene itself the scene itself like you know you had your you know you had your like Punk type style bands then you had your like you know the the metal type band started really coming through and then like you know it was almost like the the style that you guys played I mean which you know sounded awesome to me I'm sure a lot of people I guess like there's like this kind of animosity slightly towards like the hip-hop style that would you add a few degree with that ya know for sure like especially we kind of wanted to focus on the metal side of things but the metal crowd they were like all these guys you know the what is this what is this like confusion why are they playing what kind of sounds like hip-hop you know like right so we kind of got pushed back from that scene and yet the hardcore scene even back then like even though you know terrorists was on the album by that point like there was still this like weird thing like people keeping it real you can't listen to hip-hop and the hard work you know when went to us they were literally one in the same they were both musics from the street you know and the voice of the downtrodden person so like it was just kind of weird like we definitely did catch push back for that and here was the thing like even though I do think if you listen to us you could say yes hip-hop you know these guys were clearly influenced by hip hop I never thought we were bleeding with it like writin bands that came to follow yeah we did one song that was very blatant and there's actually a story behind why I did that but all of our other songs like even though we're interested like I think I don't think you could say like people could say oh this is clearly influenced by hip hop you know I mean like I think the groove of hip hop was there but it was still heavy music ROM oh yeah we got a we got pushback from both scenes kind of which I don't think then it helped like I don't want to say we were a little too early with our style but I kind of think we were a little too early with our style yeah and you know that's not me trying to pat ourselves on the back or whatever like we didn't invent the genre but you know I do think we were slightly early to that kind of style of music because just a couple years later it blew up you know well yeah I mean I was a said I think piece people were probably hating on your demos because you know they sounded so slick I mean they're not hardcore did you hear the production you know and we're like this is our dream like this sounds great and again I think a lot of that we were at the same time so you know and it was always kind of you know yeah well you know I have to say too I mean and it's funny because I mean people who are listening right now when I you probably got a little little kick out of I tried to actually transcribe all your lyrics and some some of them were like kind of amusing in a way and I don't know like you you actually corrected them for me but I have to say like you know like the lyrics are like real like clever there's like you know cool like hooks to them and like oh you put that all together with the production of the the recording and everything I mean it like I said when I say [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] if you want to say anything but is anything about any of this song specifically that you'd want to talk about like anything like it stands out to you like a reason why you wrote a certain song or like the way you wrote the lyrics why you wrote them that way or yeah so I could get into the Y first and I think it's kind of important I think I alluded to it earlier it was it was kind of decided pretty early on that I didn't have a singing voice right even though the band initially wanted someone that gets same so my voice was kind of always in question even from my fellow bandmates right and it was cool because your friends everyone wasn't honest with each other like initially they wanted to Eddie type sound and vocalist I gave that my best shot and it was awful but we kind of sat down and said okay I can't sing like Eddie but what can I do and a big part of the story I should added prior to being part of element I actually rhymes with some kid when I went to school in New York City I went to Parsons in New York for heart yeah I Medicaid there from California his name was Leo he was like you and me and him we we formed the groups together of just straight rhyming like hip hop rhyming and that lasted about two and a half years and that was before elements you know right when right when the whole rhyming thing stopped with Leo that's when elephants started and like I said we wanted to do kind of like alleyway type thing first I clearly couldn't do that even though I tried I'm gonna love to like if I could have sang we would probably pursue that style but the truth was I couldn't so the lyrics wound up being an intentional part of my lack of being able to sing and what I mean by that was I knew I couldn't really sing like an eddy or whatever or you know any metal singer out there so I knew that I really had to bring it with the lyrics and the other thing was like growing up for me the lyrics were everything like you know I would I was the kid that sat there did you set tape and open up the liner and plead it and read the lyrics along with the song you know yeah 24 hours day that was made like lyrics minute everything no because I knew I really couldn't sing that well and I had a pretty unique voice but I also wanted to do these rhymes I really intentionally thought to myself I really have to bring it with the lyrics because especially since I really I really appreciated the fact that I had this great band behind me like again you know I I do think the lyrics are part of what made us elements but I can't you know I can't understate the fact that our base and our the bass player in our genre that they were fantastic we had great guitar players you know so we had a visit those a really good foundation musically so those guys also forced me to step up my lyrics so really the lyrics were just a result of wanting to bring it and wanting to say something important like you know I grew up really liking Black Flag example because they had something to say you know so I just really wanted to say something with my lyrics and most of them I feel like I alternately achieved that so you know you said maybe we could go some white song or whatever yeah and the simplest way to put it is most of my lyrics were about my observations on society at the time and together to get a little more specific they were kind of me they they were all kind of warnings from these things if we continue down this path this is kind of where I imagine things to be right um so that's that's why I think ironically everything's still relevant now because unfortunately a lot of the stuff I was talking about as like precautionary yeah has kind of come true in all regards like it's it's kind of scary how accurate the lyrics were like and believe me you know I'm my one bass the bass player John we still see each other now and then and he made a joke I used to go by the mean ties that was my rhyming - see ya and he made it jump like three years ago he called me ties to DOM it's after Nostradamus just like so all your lyrics basically came true and I was like yeah well that wasn't intentional is just completely you know luck but um you know in a way baby it wasn't because I was just always I was a pretty observant person I was an only child so I did a lot of observing yeah I just saw what was going on so most of lyrics like the game made the same win or lose hesitation is the enemy transmission those are just all my takes on society they're all pretty bleak takes you know that I just didn't see a very positive outlook for society they will primarily come down to I thought people were to self-assess they only cared about themselves and it was all about what what they could do to make their life better and not everyone on a-holes better right and at the same time I also felt that the system that had been set up was done so in a way to keep the you know the 99% down so to speak and to let the 1% kind of run everything so a lot of my a lot of those lyrics are kind of Orwellian in nature I would say like you know one of my favorite books growing up with 1984 like trying to predict what I thought was going on with society and like you know again to me punk rock was always kind about being political and even though we were doing this new type of style I still wanted it to be punk rock at heart you know so that that word new layer come from you know like it's something like dust I actually wrote that in the 11th grade after a big break up with a girl like super old we kind of [Music] [Music] at the studio people like you said if we were talking about people kind of the fact that kind of our way of saying if we really had this is what it would sound like like it was kind of an inside joke to us that's like don't get me wrong you're proud of the song yeah if we were really playing heavy heavy music that was clearly inspired by it would have sounded like that if we if we chose to do justice and funny enough that's the song like I said we we want look in a showcase for Bad Boy Records and all that that's a song of course that they're the guy that found us he loved and thought that it could be our first thing going all that and again you know we were just like oh I'm not really sure about that because we're not sure if this one if this is the sound we want to pursue what you know just a paper creature take sit back and relax recently for the tide back to get bunk beds about my window we play oh the Ducks have your piece fuck the other half you so long [Music] so what to know about I can make that shop lights Annette we know that deep [Music] protection that the back bet step gets off the set for bad faith suspect tonight section but marriage that respect [Music] without left with Nexus manifest my stop adds out wonderful pop you know small on the thrill that slept on my still got tell any song that means that represent and did I mention we be dirty a section New Jersey [Music] some nights Annette we know that feedback step get-go Thanks look at me [Music] marry slab respect could be interpreted in different ways by different people yes you know one thing one story I'd like to share because the kind of earlier [Music] we had a pretty good friend of our band he would always shows rehearsal and one one night like four o'clock in the morning and keep in mind I'm still living at my parents yeah the phone rings there I pick it up and this person just said to me hey I just wanted to let you know the lyrics to shine convinced me not to kill myself tonight and I'm really grateful good night hung up and I was like what like you didn't know you don't know who was you don't know who was you know but I came two days later at rehearsal like did you really call my hot that night and he was like yeah thanks again you believe I was in the dark place and I was really about to do with and you're there me not you and like animal phobia crying at that point right then in there yeah Matt mom kind of made me realize the impact my lyrics could have to that up until that point it was coming at that moment that made me realize like man I could possibly affect them live with you know all right that was a pretty big turning point for me to to realize that I should probably take them a lot more serious than then then I previously was and again it really was intentional because I needed to make up for my lack of a singing voice used by people that they were fucking pacifically that was kind of crazy scary to me because I you know that was never mind tension but you know I see how words get missed rune all the time and are picking out context so it was just kind of interesting to me like how because because times have changed I could see you like maybe they haven't spent that the time from that from that part because I actually think people who the lyrics were again you might think that they were for them ironically enough so yeah yeah okay do you guys have any future plans for for your for or for music or for the bands itself I mean I know you guys are together per se but I mean you mentioned something about somebody putting out your songs now again I mean I know you have them on soundcloud too right yeah yeah all this on soundcloud under my name dirty Larry five-three-one I put them what's funny it was I put them up years ago just to do it you know here and there I don't make some hip-hop beats and stuff after elements I did a band called galaxy then I where I played bass like you know I just always kind of do try try to continue doing music in some shape so I just had my personal stamp out page like anything I did I just threw it up on but then I start getting like little random comments on some of the stuff and it be like so created it like it turns out we have some fans and Sweden that I never do about you know it's just like bonkers to me but yeah you you mentioned I'm working with the kid named Andrew he ranked for her I believe it's no electro net and he used to write for a web site or the version of version line.com he's been like a huge supporter of elements for like a good 10 years now he actually reviewed the demos for us like well not just for us he just reviewed them because he he thought people should be hearing this stuff even though at the time it was like 15 years old so he's just been an unbelievably positive you know person that I've met that really has supported the band and so he reached out to me probably you know maybe a year to go he's always hinted at the fact like yeah this stuff needs the proper release etc etc a lot of bang a lot of bands are doing reunion shows I mean 20 years 25 years 30 year reunion shows is that is that a possibility for you guys at all or no I really would but [Music] it's the original members and unfortunately it's completely out of my hands some of them don't necessarily get along with each other anymore so you know I've tried to reason and plead with guys and say you know just for the sake of the band let's just do this you know and especially you said 20 25 year the 25th anniversary of our first demo being released will be 2020 yeah so you know that also be a good time but you know it's been discussion people approach this like 10 years ago [Music] an extreme long because I really would want it to be it has to be the original members because they're they're like did I'm stress enough how important the bass player jobber Jolly Roger to our staff they they had a approach to the rhythm in the blowing that not a lot of people in the hardcore scene had and I still don't think ever had like they were just super talented dude that I was really fortunate to play with and then again like I said we got Scott on guitar we had our original guitar player raft we then had Ray from you know one-to-one agents for banging we have solid musicians yeah so like you know I could I could try to do some stuff where I get together some some friends that could play the stuff and I know plenty of them but to me it just won't be the same without the original guys unless you know something miraculous happens unfortunately I probably don't see it happening you never know my hope will kind of if we could maybe get this stuff properly released like you know there was toxin may be doing on 7-inch of both the demo do you think there is an age limit for for hip-hop singers online some aging hardcore guys yeah I think if you put it's weird if you put like some heavy guitar riffs and guitars behind it I I don't know how much of an age limit there is but if you're really strictly trying to just wrap I don't know it's like kind of doesn't come out right aging dudes like I mentioned I did and we did elements very like my line I never I had I did my rhymes will further hip up to me I have my lyrics you know I mean my lyrics and they might have rhyme because I was used to writing on but I treated them as two very different entities completely like I did not I did not want to be that guy who was just lying over you if that makes any sense yeah so you know I you know again I did it here and there but when I did I think they're trying to do it like slightly different you know at the end of the day like I said I think it was just like the early in time we had come out you know two or three years later yeah I think a lot of I think a lot more people would have known about this for sure yeah so yeah you know it is what it is can't can't look back in life can't regret anything and yeah I just gotta say it's honestly bonkers to me that 25 years later I'm doing the podcast right now talking about the bag and that just really blows my mind and lets me know that perhaps you know like here it's it's hard to understand when you were part of something how it might have impacted other people to me it was just kind of a bang that we did you know we even know we were really passionate about it there was a lot of ups and downs a lot of high school but you know to just to have someone even not to talk about it to me five years later just really humbling it's really it's amazing [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] why [Music] people might notice that I repeat the first is a lot that's one of my biggest regrets ever but the truth the truth is because I took writing the lyrics seriously something it was usually really hard to come up with two verses at least the second verse that was as good as the first verse so that's why I attended because the truth is I just really couldn't come up with anything that was good as the first verse and say you know getting back to what we talked about in the very beginning we never really intended the demos to be released to the public we were using them to kind of shop around to find the label who might want to release this right yeah that was because I only had one verse at the time and the hope was that we would record you know I just want to throw that out there because one of my biggest regrets and I actually have second verse is written for most of the songs I did it for myself just because I wanted them to kind of be completed from my own end yeah my first verse you know it's funny let me interrupt you for a second I I think I think I quoted you on some Facebook post and you like responded yeah that was me or something oh if you remember that I quote it I quoted your line you can be in Paradise or prison it's all in your mind your inner vision there's something because I tried to do the thing where everything ended in Asian yeah with degradation but it's all a fabrication check the nation you know that burst took me quite some time to write and get down because it's pretty interested and the fact that I really stuck to the whole thing of doing Asian for every Brian basically that's a whole bottle to write so it was really you know I attempted to write a second first but I never kind of kick off with anything as good so when we laid down the vocals I just repeated the first verse yeah forty years ago I finally wrote the second verse and it's still all in the nation as well amazing I guess I learned some new words over the past 20 years or something those able to pull that off so like that's kind of my ultimate goal if we can re release any of the stuff yeah I would love to potentially get back into the studio and add those second versus two a couple couple of songs and which ultimately would probably mean because I think the older I got comfortable I can add those second versus and all that stuff but that seems like it could be a dream yeah any social media or a website you like to plug I guess just my personal Instagram account it's official cool alright man y-you know I want to thank you for doing this and you know like I said I just had a respect for your music or like over many years I had a respect for your music and your lyrics and like I said I still pop it in every now and then or just you know pull up stream it whatever on soundcloud and you know it's I keep using this word that it holds up but I mean you know it's just a fact so it's like you know you say you guys were maybe ahead of your time a little bit I mean maybe you were you know and just thanks for doing this podcast and any other closing words or whatever anything we'll get the word out there you know 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POD short for “Payable On Death” is a band that first caught my attention back in 1999 while working at 89.5FM WSOU, Seton Hall’s Pirate Radio Station back in my college days. One of the DJ’s was playing “Southtown” and my first reaction was that I thought it was E-Town Concrete. No dis to E-Town Concrete but the sound on Southtown was pretty similar to Etown, BUT after listening to enough POD songs, I can tell you that they are two VERY different bands even though they seem to be playing the same style of melodic hardcore with rap/hip-hop infused lyrics. If you listen to enough POD songs, you’ll realize that POD incorporates elements of rap, rock, hip-hop, metal, and reggae into their songs. There is definitely a certain groove to each track. E-Town also has a certain groove but they’re definitely more on the metal/rap-rock side.
We may do a post on E-Town at some point in the near future but being on WSOU back in the mid-late 1990’s and working with my bro, Dan Dan the Hardcore Man on WSOU, we were one of the first radio stations/DJ’s to start playing E-Town on the radio. My bro was working his show “Hardcore Reality” and I remember him inviting E-Town up for an interview back in 1995. POD’s first album was “Snuff the Punk”, released in 1994 so I think they win in terms of who came together first.
So I was really digging “Southtown” but still really didn’t know the band all that well. “Southtown” was one of the band’s breakout songs off their album “The Fundamental Elements of Southtown”, the band’s 3rd studio album, released in the summer of 1999.
It’s easy for most people to quickly dismiss music that they don’t give a chance as “noise” or to say that “it all sounds the same”. Nothing could be further from the truth as it relates to one of my favorite if not my most favorite hardcore band of all time, Long Island New York’s very own VISION OF DISORDER. Now I’ll have to admit, my taste in music has definitely changed over the years. The first time I heard VOD, I also quickly dismissed it as “noise”. In fact, I’m embarrassed to say that I remember as a young college freshman (pre 89.5FM WSOU affiliation), my brother, who was a member of Seton Hall’s award winning college radio station (89.5FM), bringing home their debut CD in October of 1996 and promptly placing it into our home stereo system and cranking up the volume.
On a side note, RoadRunner Records was totally smart about their DJ promotions. When I eventually became a DJ, I loved getting the newest CD’s straight from RoadRunner in my WSOU mailbox. They smartly sent every on-air DJ a brand new copy of all of their newest releases and it no doubt made a positive impression on the jocks. At the time, I wasn’t a DJ and I did not get my own personal copy like my bro did but my first impression of VOD back then was not a good one. Now, mind you this was a kid of 18 years old who was still getting past my Nirvana, Alice In Chains, Pearl Jam grunge phase. I was starting to explore different sub-genres within the hardcore scene (NYHC, NJHC, old-school, punk, west coast, east coast, melodic, emo, rap infused hardcore, metal infused hardcore and various combinations of all the above).
At the time I was also totally riding the RoadRunner Records catalog including bands like Sepultura, Life of Agony, Type O Negative, Madball, Dog Eat Dog, Shelter, and the list goes on. I’ll explore some of these other bands in future posts.
Also at the time, I was totally riding the local NJHC band scene following bands like Strength 691, Hundred Fold, For the love of... One 4 One, NJ Bloodline and Ensign, whom I’ll also explore further in future posts, but VOD’s debut RoadRunner album has aged very very well. This is a band that was WAY before their time in terms of lyrics, style, groove, and the list goes on. The green album has stood the test of time and is without a doubt a classic NYHC record. If it was released for the first time tomorrow, this is an album that could pass for a totally relevant up and coming NYHC band.
Prior to the debut RoadRunner release, VOD put out some demos and was featured on several compilation CD’s with other bands. Their ’95 demo is also a raw and raging preview into what was to come, with each song on the demo making its way onto a future CD release.
After their strong major label debut and months of touring, VOD went on to put out another killer album, Imprint in 1998 (also on RoadRunner). Imprint is without a doubt a musical masterpiece from beginning to end.
Unfortunately, it was their last release on RoadRunner and the band moved on to put out For the Bleeders on Go Kart records. This album contained most songs that were previously recorded on other demos or early comps but put them all together on one CD. The production on this particular CD is also pretty raw and even though Imprint is a raw production, For The Bleeders just doesn’t have the same production quality or feel. It is still a kick-ass record but the drop in production quality is noticeable.
After For The Bleeders, VOD found themselves signing to TVT Records with a much more if you will, mainstream sound.
There are a handful of people out there that liked to compare Tim Williams’ vocals to one of two people. On one hand you could hear the comparisons to Layne Staley of Alice In Chains. On the other hand, you can also hear the comparisons to Phil Anselmo of Pantera, who performed guest vocals on Imprint. Some time after the release of From Bliss to Devastation the band went on an indefinite hiatus. Tim (vocals) and Kennedy (guitars) went on to form the metal band Bloodsimple and Brendan (drums) and Mike (bass) formed Karnov.
The DVD (as seen in the YouTube clip above) gives a good representation of the intensity and raw sound of a VOD show. My most recent experience seeing VOD was in 2014 at Stanhope House in Stanhope, NJ. The band played a limited number of shows in support of their most recently released album at the time (The Cursed Remain Cursed). Just a short clip I took of the song “Choke”. I was lucky enough to chat with Tim (vocals), Mike (bass) and Brendon (drums) after the show and got a couple of pics with the guys (seen above).
I remember telling him I was on WSOU at the same time they played the WSOU Boat show. He remembered that that was the same show that they played with Incubus around the time before Incubus “blew up” as a band. I go through phases in my music selections and in hyping myself up for this show, I was spinning Imprint a lot. I’m glad I got to tell Tim that in my opinion, Imprint is THE most badass album of all time.
When VOD did decide to put out a new album, they did not disappoint when they released The Cursed Remain Cursed (below). The band also put together a video for the song “Set to Fail” (below).
Let’s hope that VOD continues to provide the world with badass tunes for a long long time. Their latest effort Razed to the Ground was released in 2015.
Check out the podcast interview found on SoundCloud (below). Tim talks about the beginnings of the band and the band’s evolution through the years. Enjoy!