Thousand Suns

Band History


welcome this is Dave and Andy Teleposky
and you're listening to on point cast
episode three of the podcast as Andy and
I interviewing
Dan, Allen, Ned & Mike
members of the band thousand suns which
was a new jersey-based
rock band the band recorded a couple of
demo tapes and some live shows during
their time together in their early
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all right so we're here with the guys
from thousand suns and we have Andy here
with the first question for the guys
history behind the band I think I said I
was looking for a bass player and he
raised his hand online so that's how
I'll start up now we're gonna get into
one of the band's tracks right now
maybe this track is called every step
now you're listening to on point cast
with uncertainty
I'll be right here by your side
Haupt and allan and djaq influence each
other musically and tell us a little
about the recording process one thing I
noticed I remember the day their
drumsticks he got his first Tam and
genomic it was a starter kit cool no you
know I don't know if you know Allen but
they were they're doing they're doing
some tours again or something actually
we're playing like an acoustic there's
this place in there's place in Garwood
New Jersey called crossroads and I'm
actually believe I'm actually in
December I think Dan's going to we're
going to see shelter at Cross
in what was it last year I saw Murphy's
Law there which was a good show and loo
from sick of it all was there hanging
out what are you gonna do all right so I
want you guys talk about want you guys
talk about the big blue meanie recording
is that where you guys recorded yes Jay
Kastner right remember that we thought
we'd go in Saturday and walk out Sunday
at least everything about vocals done
right right
it wasn't until hell after dinner that
we even started to track oh my god do
you guys um do you guys remember like
why you actually chose like that place
to record
there and I've heard nothing but good
things about it cause like you know why
don't we give it a shot for in a
defensible period coin what's offensive
that someone but somewhere they know you
know they would do a good job and I see
all that the times Inc limini did a
fantastic job
sure yes yes well I always deferred to
stand with a kid to the sound to the
quality of places you know yeah you
would know looking back looking back we
could have got a lot I would say the
next choice
so man
what bands do you play with and where
did you guys play shows where did we
play shows what bands did you play with
you guys yeah what's the deal with that
guy PJ you guys had some guy PJ working
for you or something
JP that's right
the oldest handler we were we were
different than most bands we were coming
at the time we were playing that new
metal phase yeah yeah I need to sound
like smoothies
well this how like wind biscuits correct
though we as it's been put to me by
close friend of ours John we were years
ahead of our time a little difficult
sometimes for us to fit in on certain
bills yeah I know we played the Birch Hill
nightclub which was aside from dystonia
hood probably the biggest venue in New
Jersey in my opinion I believe there
were some shows up in Hoboken as well I
believe we did a club than a show the
dad old joint what about the state
didn't we plate the seat and we did one
of those iconic places to date it's no
longer there but I'll never forget
l'amour Brooklyn
oh alright so we have a live clip right
now from one of the band's live shows
which I believe was at the Birch Hill
nightclub which was in Old Bridge New
Jersey and this is an oldie but a goodie
Nemeth track is boys of summer Don
Henley's classic track one which a
number of bands have covered including
the Ataris code seven and my personal
opinion I think code seven did did a
really good job on that track when they
covered it the Ataris version is more
commercial but anyway here's thousand
suns take or thousand suns version on
the same track Don Henley's boys of
summer and you're listening to on
pulling cast
what are you guys doing musically now I
know Dan's doing DJ guys talk about that
you expand on that LaBelle and like so
like what was your experience like over
there so I'm very saying it's like like
cutthroat is that were you're talking
about in terms of trying to make it for
bands the best most pound you constantly
hear well this song is good for what you
can't say this and that song you're not
allowed to say this in that song and it
just it could be jump you know I think
that's one of the reasons why I love the
band so much because say what we wanted
in our song yeah can't say it that way
are you saying there's politics in the
music yes
music really you guys have any
individual you guys have any plans for
music my goal is to be able to have kid
say to their friends yo my dad's playing
here here tonight let's go let's go
watch and have them come out no cool
smack can I go up slapping up flipping
it rubbing it down I eventually want
action it's the music down here in
Florida just not quite ready but if I do
I just want to play drums and rock
when I come up to New Jersey to plan two
days one where we just rehearsed the
next day will replace yeah cool
you have characterized ourselves as a
rock band or an emo band or what we just
play now dan we were saying what kind of
band did you guys characterize
yourselves as like emo punk rock you can
owe me like to make Beethoven Stephanie
heavy I would to to follow up on what
Dan said like negat really what we were
doing I think we were able to really
showcase a lot of different sounds but
then you have stuff like let it fade
which was like the windows down car like
sound toss about nostalgia song
that was that was written after 9/11
there was a bunch that we didn't record
you know I actually have that I actually
have that you guys did WS so you and I
haven't acoustic of it I'm gonna I'm
gonna put that I'm gonna put that in it
sounds good it's there's a bunch there
was a bunch that was that so yes
what you know
where y'all was back
you a unique writing style then a very
unique way of writing lyrics which I
always admired wait Alan didn't Alan
didn't you I'm didn't use to write some
lyrics too though Alan play different
drum beats and stuff and then Mike would
do this thing and for some reason I
wrote about Natasha it was like Angel
Fire calm slash thousand suns
I have no reason to be in the middle of
it don't really know what's going on and
it's gotta be do the kids gotta be doing
something right kids have to be doing so
well don't listen to their I listen to
the to the manufactured you know
electronic music there's no there's no
guitars anymore there's no is that a
Judaism it's real yeah
that's there should be books there
should be what course is devoted to such
theory it was the demo tape game in a CD
game now you got YouTube and all
everything else was like we were trying
to get on a radio station and we're
trying to like yeah now you don't need
to do that baby I remember you guys
playing that I used to play that bold
cover oh yes all right guys closing
thoughts twenty-something years now yeah
well sure we're gonna do it we're chefs
inside of you
cuz I've been thinking that too I want
to play I gotta play one more time we
got to do it cool
yeah you know that's so funny you say
that because I don't think we knew when
we were playing when we played that it
was gonna be the end no it's just go and
done with that happy pub that's right
big shots big shot
the Dukes cool I enjoyed it I enjoyed
putting that out there
this was fun again Dave said quote it's
one thing to message but hearing hearing
your knives voices your beautiful voice
yes is that a window that's a Wendy's
triple stack should I stand
my bags and leave this goddamn town
because I can't forget all those words
you said spider
you went to keep me
you're excused
cuz I can't stand
ready to bring north now we need the
another choice to make
I'll never tell
when I slide
if your knife is through my back
let you win
all right so Andy and I want to thank
the guys and thousand suns for doing
this podcast for OnPoint cast on point
cast calm believe you guys off with the
last track let it fade which is probably
their best track in my opinion and
probably their most successful track
that got some decent radio play for
college radio and they're burly to
it's fun to hear the guys reminisce
about their days playing gigs throughout
New Jersey and just enjoying that time
Andy and I hope you enjoyed the podcast
and we hope to be back with you all real
soon with another edition of OnPoint
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Elements DEC

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Maybe it's just me,
What I see I can’t believe
So many filled with greed
So many that’s naive
Then again, it's not their fault
It's how they were taught
So to "The Man," that I'll never see
Look what you have brought
Disarrayed are the ways of today
It’s a shame but the game just ain’t the same
For the keepers faith of hate has set our fate
and laid our shallow graves that await

traps laid have been sprung the time has come so now it’s either all or none
traps laid have been sprung the time has come so now it’s either all or none

People with no voices
With no choices
Only Stress
The situation we are placed in,
Is Hell at its best
The test of time reminds my mind that it’s now or never
So c'mon y’all before we fall we gotta get this shit together


It’s a shame but the game just ain’t the same, who’s to blame?
It’s a shame but the game just ain’t the same, who’s to blame?


DARKNESS it surrounds me as I fall into another void
SILENCE encircles my soul as another day is destroyed
FEAR my only emotion as I journey into the night
Hoping I’ll see the sunlight

Destroying my sanity, separate the fantasy from reality.  Images of my soul, shattered no control
Destroying my sanity, separate the fantasy from reality.  Images of my soul, shattered no control

Clouds of grey are over me, casting shadows on the ground. 
A bird in the sky is flying high and suddenly falls down.
The Sound of the voices in my mind and their desperate cries, disguise the lies
Destroying my sanity, separate the fantasy from reality.  Images of my soul, shatter no control
Destroying my sanity, separate the fantasy from reality.  Images of my soul, shatter no control

Destroy my sanity, Destroy my sanity, Destroy my sanity, Destroy my sanity, Destroy my sanity
Destroy my sanity, Destroy my sanity 


Trust Crushed To Dust
As Hate, Takes Its Place
I Dared to Care Unaware, of Pain’s Bitter Taste
Hypnotized by Lies
Disguised in Your Eyes
The More Time Passes By
The More, I Deny

Taste The Pain of Blind Faith
I Put it All at Stake
Bliss in Ignorance,
But Now I’m Awake
Sleeping Hearts Are Easy to Break

Love’s Design is Fine
Two, Minds Intertwine
But Threads, that are Woven
To Loosely Can Be Broken
Trust Crushed To Dust

Never Tread in Worn Paths
Keep Faith But Know It Won’t Last
I was Down, for The Ride
But Unprepared for The Crash

Taste The Pain of Blind Faith
I Put it All at Stake
Bliss in Ignorance,
But Now I’m Awake
Sleeping Hearts Are Easy to Break

Love’s Design is Fine
Two, Minds Intertwine
But Threads, that are Woven
To Loosely Can Be Broken
Trust Crushed To Dust

Trust crushed to dust
Trust crushed to dust
Trust crushed to dust
Trust crushed to dust
Trust crushed to dust
Trust crushed to dust



As soon as you’re born you’re in the match
Ain’t no turning back once your caught in the trap
The truth? The fake can’t take
The truth? Can break a heart
Take apart a soul that was weak from the start
You’ll get burned, if you play with fire
With desires think twice or pay the price
Sacrifice what could have been

Win or Lose, It’s All Just A Game
All about numbers not of names
It’s a constant race with no finish
Those who win are those who don’t diminish

Against the wall see I best maintain
I know pain cause I’ve seen pain
But you, you don’t you can’t cope
See you! Had it all
It was always there you weren't prepared for the fall
See lessons learned, are those lost
Toss the dice you might pay the price,
Sacrifice what could have been

Win or Lose, It’s All Just A Game
All about numbers not of names
It’s a constant race with no finish
Those who win are those who don’t... 


Who's to say that today is given?
The way today, society is living
The temperature has risen
Now conditions, ain't quite how they were visioned
We’re the voice of tomorrow?
And all we paint is pictures of sorrow?
For the mass to swallow and follow?
but what is a mass if it’s hollow?

Stop and think in a blink the brink could come
What was once known as one could now be none
We risk it all but the fall we can’t take
The futures ours to shape, miss or make

Now the seeds fiend the cream for the so called dream
but fail to understand its a plan on the man
can’t comprehend who is friend and who is foe
they just go with the flow act like they know

they just go with the flow act like they know
they just go with the flow act like they know
they just go with the flow act like they know

they just go with the flow act like they know!


You can be in paradise or prison
It’s all in your mind and your inner version,
There is no such thing as a solution
Just a substitution in this world of confusion

A Fascination with Degradation,
But it’s all a Fabrication
Check the Nation,
Communication None
Gratification, Some
Relations are Done
A Creation of Devastation meant for Elation
Innovation Numb
Education with Regulations
Classifications Insubordination
Frustrations with Designations
A Realization No Time For Contemplation
Frustrations with Designations
A Realization No Time For Contemplation

Hesitation Is The Enemy
Hesitation Is The Enemy
Hesitation, The Enemy
Hesitation Is The Enemy

Be Aware We’re Almost There
Stop But Don’t Stare
Feel But Don’t Care
Don’t Even Dare to Speak,
Turn the Other Cheek, Stay Weak


Stop But Don’t Stare
Feel But Don’t Care!

Turn the Other Cheek, Stay Weak!


As the World Turns, it Slowly Burns  
When Will We Learn to Give? Not Live Negative?
Now the Bridge is Ash
It Came to Fast to Grasp
It’s All That is Left of the Past
Dictate Living
Control Conditions
No Visions or Dreams
Just Plans and Schemes to Get the Cream
What’s Received Is Believed

As The Wheels Spin
As The Wheels Spin

We All Live In Sin
Cause The Picture’s Painted Grim
For a Future To Begin 
We Gotta, Change What’s Within


This That Type of Beat You Take a Seat
Sit Back and Relax, Twist Up
Wait For The Contact and Get Buck
The Heads Around My Way Know What’s Up
Dying For The Day That We Play All You Ducks
Half You Crews Suck The Other Half We Show Love

Everyday All Day
Come Around My Way
We Do Our Best to Deal With Stress
Even Though it’s Here to Stay

So What You Know About The Click That’s Sharp Like Gillette?
We Known As E-DEC
Connect With Intellect, Collect The Check, Wreck
Protect Your Neck
Your Best Bets Just To Step and Get Off The Set
Prepare for Introspect
Connect With Intellect, Collect The Check Then Wreck
Mad Respect

Feel The Stress, Get Possessed With Nervousness
We Are Blessed With Next Consciousness, Manifest
My Style? Agile, Buckwild, Low Profile
Ain’t No Smile On The Grill That Slept On My Skills
I Kill, Any Talk That Me Not Representin
Did I mention I be Dirty? 
Our Section, New Jersey!

Everyday All Day
Come Around My Way
We Do Our Best to Deal With Stress
Even Though it’s Here to Stay

So What You Know About The Click That’s Sharp Like Gillette?
We Known As E-DEC
Connect With Intellect, Collect The Check, Wreck
Protect Your Neck
Your Best Bets Just To Step and Get Off The Set
Prepare for Introspect
Connect With Intellect, Collect The Check Then Wreck
Mad Respect


welcome I am Dave Teleposky and you were
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two of the podcast has me and Andy
interviewing Larry Cooney jr. Larry is
the lead singer for the band elements
Dec which was a new jersey-based
hardcore metal hip hop band the band
recorded two demos one from a same New
Jersey studio tracks East although they
ever achieved mass popularity the
lyricism and quality hook so you've
allowed the fans who used to hold up
ears after the band played their last
show we hope you enjoy the interview and
some clips of some of the Bands music
and feel free to check out the lyrics
shared and correct it for me by Larry
WME cast calm we're here with Larry from
elements Dec and you're listening to on
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at on point cast anyway our first
question we have we have Andy Teleposky
here also he's gonna he's gonna start us
off here with the first question for
Larry from ailments alright when did
ailments Dec start and who were the Ben
band members on the phone even though
Dave we've met in the past actually so I
guess we started in around 1992 it's
funny because it's like we're like we're
like trying to go way back here and like
it's weird it seems like a long time ago
but yet it doesn't at the same time so
kind of relevant but maybe we'll get to
that but it was like around 92 93
I actually John I'd known those guys
forever I moved away from Elizabeth and
eighth grade and I met a kid named Scott
it turns out he wound up being the
guitars for elements after he was in a
little band club lifetime mean Scott
basically became best friends when I
moved out to develop new jersey from
Elizabeth um so about 92 93 we were all
just kind of hanging out and funny
enough we were kind of already
disenchanted with the hardcore scene
yeah we were kind of talking a little
smack at the show like there's no good
bands anymore like we were already the
old guys of the
20 someone a good friend was like oh if
you guys think there's no good fans
won't you do something about it and we
were kind of like yeah why don't we do
something about it we had all done bands
before being Scott that abandoned our
first band when we were like 12 so so we
had all kind of done bad you know off
and on but this was the first time the
friends from my childhood and my new
friends from my teen years kind of came
together and that's how it started uh
funny enough the original name of the
band was cool outbreed we went by that
name for about a half a year year it was
what's and again cool cool out what okay
yeah it said and I joined in the
innocence of the cool Albury
so that kind of set the stage choosing
that name we eventually you know drop
that knee because we all kind of agreed
it was a little too but you know there
was some when we first started we were
basically alleyway and we kind of
thought we could do our version of
leeway the only thing about that was I
couldn't really think and most of the
first songs that we wrote they were we
trying to attempt to sound like Eddie
and doing a really bad job I think I
think because we kind of realized that
first direction that the band wasn't
really gonna be what we thought it was
going to be we kind of decided to start
from scratch and come up with a new name
and all that so okay okay so you
mentioned I mean I i'll be honest i mean
i i'm sure like that's different points
we've like crossed paths between like
your band members and stuff but i don't
really know the guys in your band
but you mentioned scott so he was
actually in lifetime my cousin at the
time lived in town
and at the time I was already a heart
poor kid listening punk rock and hip-hop
and and I skateboarded
and I moved to a pretty small suburban
town where there was almost no one that
did any of that literally one kid in
town and my cousin was like yeah I hate
to break it to you there's probably only
one guy that you're gonna get along with
in town Jeremy Scott he was like you
happen to live like two blocks away from
me I'm friends with them I'll let him
know that you're moving here and that's
literally how I met Scott so I knew
Scott before he was even in lifetime me
and him were basically like the outcasts
of town so we we became close pretty
quick and like I said me and him did a
band probably it would been like six
months of me moving to Danone we started
our first bed it was called stand strong
which then turned into out of hand I
mean we always kind of play you know kid
got loose in the hardcore do but start a
band yeah yeah we're gonna get into a
track right now the name of this track
is hesitation is the enemy and you're
listening to an interview with Larry
from elements Dec OnPoint cast
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all a fabrication technician
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the enemy
they told in your body
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all about me Jenna
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totally altered seats safely
we're back here listening to OnPoint
cast and again that was the name of that
track was called hesitation is the enemy
and we're gonna go back to our interview
with Larry from elements Dec how do you
guys end up recording with Steve edits
and track piece tracks East that that's
a pretty good question actually
you'll get your demo I mean it you see
like the liner notes in your demo I mean
I have to say I mean you know it's quite
obvious I mean the there two demos but I
mean the sound quality is like awesome
and I mean it's you know holds up till
today like I said yeah thank you I
appreciate it believe it or not us
recording at track C happened wholly by
chance we actually had time booked at
another studio I don't even remember the
name I couldn't remember the name if he
forced me to yes all I remember is that
it was by Lake a pack on New Jersey okay
we had time booked that back studio and
the guy basically called us the night
before we had all our equipment packed
up already we're ready to go the next
day the guy called us the night before
and said sorry I have kidney stones I'm
gonna have to bail we're like okay so we
were basically without a studio for
awhile but we had all this cash we
really wanted to go somewhere pretty
good and I think it was our drummer Raj
you like yeah you know I I know this
place track seized I think at the time
they had already made me recorded good
bro I want to say like I just know we
wanted to go to a good studio we
actually saved up the money to do that
so I think we just literally cold call
them and book time and we just happen to
get to be Wow and that wound up being
like such a blessing because he was he
was really so incredibly into us helping
get the sound
we wanted to get and he's also a bass
player and I still think to this day one
of the things that set elements apart
was our bass player John yes he's one of
the best play bass players I've ever
known probably to kick you play any
genre of bass and kill it he's just
amazing so hemming Steve literally
clicked right away his people so it was
really cool even though we're only there
three days total like Steve was really
into helping us get our sound and it was
just a great experience and we couldn't
have been more happy with the way that
came out and I think the sound of that
then will really helped people kind of
gravitate toward with too much I think
don't get me wrong I think the music was
pretty good on its own but it kind of
sounded a lot more professional than
your typical hardcore demo
did you press CDs or did you did you
guys just put out demo tapes or I mean
we were never really super official with
things it was more just like if we
played a show we had a couple tapes for
people you know at that time we also did
start to get we had our first manager
okay you can't see me but I'm putting
that in air quotes okay I think you
would send them out to try to book us so
we never you know unfortunately we never
had any official we just kind of
otherwise you know we just kind of gave
them out as necessary so you know
there's some out there I actually just I
never had one turned out a friend of
mine had one do you like human I know
this is your band if you want to hear so
I literally just got that like a year
ago so there weren't that many copies
floating in view there of our demo yeah
cuz I mean I have to admit because when
I when I was on WS so you you know
somehow I don't even know how we got a
copy or you know your CD that had all
your both demos on it and yeah I just
remember even people at WS so you were
like man who was that band you know they
sound pretty hot you know it was just
like at the time like like I said
everything kind of clicked into place
and I kind of just felt bad that like we
played you guys like I said on hardcore
reality but I I guess I never really
people never really knew it knew you
guys or knew who you were like you know
knew much about about the band catch-22
because and I wanted to say thank you
for that because you guys you did play
us on our core
at one point you know it definitely
helped at some point it's funny you say
you don't know how you got the CD I
think that was probably our manager Jim
he did really try as hard it to know
that those CDs out many people as
yeah probably him all right so we're
gonna get into another track right now
and even this track is called Braille
and again you're listening to an
interview with Larry from elements Dec
OnPoint cast
so babe nothin seeds in the Queen Mother
so for dream for understanding the man
Jeffrey Angela's women it was both
they just go with the flow I like they
like they know what bands did you play
with and where did you guys play shows
ah we play with the crow mag that Studio
one we played with Marauder at wetland
we played with the way at a place call
up the wave in Staten Island oh wow we
played with train of thought multiple
times at least three or four times
because they were pretty much our boys
and they were that was all over Jersey
you know we played a play weekend theory
I believe about some like church or like
it was it was a crazy venue up in North
Jersey I remember yeah we played with a
decent amount of people we also did see
this is uh name in all hardcore shows
because yeah you know we kind of grow up
in the hardcore scene but we played a
lot of metal leading shows too and that
was kind of on purpose like even though
we were hardcore kids at the time most
of us I'll say most of us because Scott
was more from the punk rock side I think
yeah but most of us were meta metalheads
to begin with yeah we got introduced to
hardcore so we definitely felt that
elements out of a really big tinge of
metal to it you know we wanted to kind
of represent the fact that we were
metalheads malice in the hardcore trying
to do this kind of hip hop and pew style
right right so we we purposely said
let's try to get out of just playing
hardcore shows and play all types of
shows so we did like a battle the band
down in Toms River like and we were like
the only heavy act we we played like I
said just crazy little metal shows we
played that Oh chill stuff like that
yeah so we played a decent amount of
shows but we didn't play enough and I
think that was one of the big problems
like I could get into why and you want
to but we kind of thought things might
come to
instead of going out and getting them
yeah and that was the big problem with
appengine did you ever travel outside of
New Jersey to play any shows just an
island in New York City yeah okay yeah
so thing between like you know some of
us for say that we need to play more so
some of us know we need to be picky
about what schools we play like it was
it was a whole discussion that never
really got resolved and you know looking
back I think if we played a lot more
Sue's things might have turned out
slightly differently you know like who
knows you can't really say but I wish we
played more shows that's that's
definitely one of my favorite graduate
event well I was gonna say I mean I mean
you know bands that I've interviewed
over the years I mean like yeah a lot of
them get burnt out though to me you know
there was definitely especially towards
the end there there's a big hint of
getting burnt out I mean all in all you
know if you include like the whole cool
out three days that I mentioned we were
a band for about five six years so
that's a pretty long time in the grand
scheme of things especially you know in
that hardcore scene and so yeah you know
definitely towards the end not even
towards the end I'd been towards the
middle of thing we started kind of
getting hurt out and again a lot of that
was what I would like to call
self-imposed you know we we had this
crazy delusion that we could potentially
blow up
that's term that we always use we could
blow up we could blow up and we kind of
pursued things in that direction instead
of organically laying the roots so it
would happen naturally
yeah we tried to cut corners I would say
best way to put it and what's crazy is
it almost happened a lot of people don't
know that we had a record which was
record so we actually made it for them I
mean work out because you know there's a
famous in the house I think it was here
doing presenting ourselves ourselves a
little too deep here you know there's
there were things going on behind the
scenes as to why more people didn't know
us as well there is a lot of I don't
want to say we were pretty happy you
know the entire time but what are some
of your thoughts on the way is the New
Jersey music scene has changed from back
when you guys started to today so I you
know I still pretty much consider myself
part of the Phenom nowhere near right so
in some so in some ways from my
perspective it hasn't changed much
because it seems like it's still the
same people I knew from back then are
part of it you know we're we're you guys
you guys I like the new guys play we
kind of deserved it because like I said
we kind of thought we didn't necessarily
want to place those in the hard course
because we thought we were something
other than even though we're still
friends with people you know I was gonna
say I mean because like the scene itself
the scene itself like you know you had
your you know you had your like Punk
type style bands then you had your like
you know the the metal type band started
really coming through and then like you
know it was almost like the the style
that you guys played I mean which you
know sounded awesome to me I'm sure a
lot of people I guess like there's like
this kind of animosity slightly towards
like the hip-hop style that would you
add a few degree with that
ya know for sure like especially
we kind of wanted to focus on the metal
side of things but the metal crowd they
were like all these guys you know the
what is this what is this like confusion
why are they playing what kind of sounds
like hip-hop you know like right so we
kind of got pushed back from that scene
and yet the hardcore scene even back
then like even though you know
terrorists was on the album by that
point like there was still this like
weird thing like people keeping it real
you can't listen to hip-hop and the hard
work you know when went to us they were
literally one in the same they were both
musics from the street you know and the
voice of the downtrodden person so like
it was just kind of weird like we
definitely did catch push back for that
and here was the thing like even though
I do think if you listen to us you could
say yes hip-hop you know these guys were
clearly influenced by hip hop I never
thought we were bleeding with it like
writin bands that came to follow yeah we
did one song that was very blatant and
there's actually a story behind why I
did that but all of our other songs like
even though we're interested like I
think I don't think you could say like
people could say oh this is clearly
influenced by hip hop you know I mean
like I think the groove of hip hop was
there but it was still heavy music ROM
oh yeah we got a we got pushback from
both scenes kind of which I don't think
then it helped like I don't want to say
we were a little too early with our
style but I kind of think we were a
little too early with our style yeah and
you know that's not me trying to pat
ourselves on the back or whatever like
we didn't invent the genre but you know
I do think we were slightly early to
that kind of style of music because just
a couple years later it blew up you know
well yeah I mean I was a said I think
piece people were probably hating on
your demos because you know they sounded
so slick I mean they're not hardcore did
you hear the production you know and
we're like this is our dream like this
sounds great and again I think a lot of
we were at the same time so you know and
it was always kind of you know yeah well
you know I have to say too I mean and
it's funny because I mean people who are
listening right now when I you probably
got a little little kick out of I tried
to actually transcribe all your lyrics
and some some of them were like kind of
amusing in a way and I don't know like
you you actually corrected them for me
but I have to say like you know like the
lyrics are like real like clever there's
like you know cool like hooks to them
and like oh you put that all together
with the production of the the recording
and everything I mean it like I said
when I say
if you want to say anything but is
anything about any of this song
specifically that you'd want to talk
about like anything like it stands out
to you like a reason why you wrote a
certain song or like the way you wrote
the lyrics why you wrote them that way
or yeah so I could get into the Y first
and I think it's kind of important I
think I alluded to it earlier it was it
was kind of decided pretty early on that
I didn't have a singing voice right even
though the band initially wanted someone
that gets same so my voice was kind of
always in question even from my fellow
bandmates right and it was cool because
your friends everyone wasn't honest with
each other like initially they wanted to
Eddie type sound and vocalist I gave
that my best shot and it was awful but
we kind of sat down and said okay I
can't sing like Eddie but what can I do
and a big part of the story I should
added prior to being part of element I
actually rhymes with some kid when I
went to school in New York City I went
to Parsons in New York for heart yeah I
Medicaid there
from California his name was Leo he was
like you and me and him we we formed the
groups together of just straight rhyming
like hip hop rhyming and that lasted
about two and a half years and that was
before elements you know right when
right when the whole rhyming thing
stopped with Leo that's when elephants
started and like I said we wanted to do
kind of like alleyway type thing first I
clearly couldn't do that even though I
tried I'm gonna love to like if I could
have sang we would probably pursue that
style but the truth was I couldn't so
the lyrics wound up being an intentional
part of my lack of being able to sing
and what I mean by that was I knew I
couldn't really sing like an eddy or
whatever or you know any metal singer
out there so I knew that I really had to
bring it with the lyrics and the other
thing was like growing up for me the
lyrics were everything like you know I
would I was the kid that sat there
did you set tape and open up the liner
and plead it and read the lyrics along
with the song you know yeah 24 hours day
that was made like lyrics minute
everything no because I knew I really
couldn't sing that well and I had a
pretty unique voice but I also wanted to
do these rhymes
I really intentionally thought to myself
I really have to bring it with the
lyrics because especially since I really
I really appreciated the fact that I had
this great band behind me like again you
know I I do think the lyrics are part of
what made us elements but I can't you
know I can't understate the fact that
our base and our the bass player in our
genre that they were fantastic we had
great guitar players you know so we had
a visit those a really good foundation
musically so those guys also forced me
to step up my lyrics
so really the lyrics were just a result
of wanting to bring it and wanting to
say something important like you know I
grew up really liking Black Flag example
because they had something to say you
know so I just really wanted to say
something with my lyrics and most of
them I feel like I alternately achieved
that so you know you said maybe we could
go some white song or whatever yeah and
the simplest way to put it is most of my
lyrics were about my observations on
society at the time and together to get
a little more specific they were kind of
me they they were all kind of warnings
from these things if we continue down
this path this is kind of where I
imagine things to be right um so that's
that's why I think ironically
everything's still relevant now because
unfortunately a lot of the stuff I was
talking about as like precautionary yeah
has kind of come true in all regards
like it's it's kind of scary how
accurate the lyrics were like and
believe me you know I'm my one bass the
bass player John we still see each other
now and then and he made a joke I used
to go by the mean ties that was my
- see ya and he made it jump like three
years ago he called me ties to DOM it's
after Nostradamus just like so all your
lyrics basically came true and I was
like yeah well that wasn't intentional
is just completely you know luck but um
you know in a way baby it wasn't because
I was just always I was a pretty
observant person I was an only child
so I did a lot of observing yeah I just
saw what was going on
so most of lyrics like the game made the
same win or lose hesitation is the enemy
transmission those are just all my takes
on society they're all pretty bleak
takes you know that I just didn't see a
very positive outlook for society they
will primarily come down to I thought
people were to self-assess
they only cared about themselves and it
was all about what what they could do to
make their life better and not everyone
on a-holes better right and at the same
time I also felt that the system that
had been set up was done so in a way to
keep the you know the 99% down so to
speak and to let the 1% kind of run
everything so a lot of my a lot of those
lyrics are kind of Orwellian in nature I
would say like you know one of my
favorite books growing up with 1984 like
trying to predict what I thought was
going on with society and like you know
again to me punk rock was always kind
about being political and even though we
were doing this new type of style
I still wanted it to be punk rock at
heart you know so that that word new
layer come from you know like it's
something like dust I actually wrote
that in the 11th grade after a big break
up with a girl like super old we kind of
at the studio people like you said if we
were talking about people kind of the
fact that kind of our way of saying if
we really had this is what it would
sound like like it was kind of an inside
joke to us that's like don't get me
wrong you're proud of the song yeah if
we were really playing heavy heavy music
that was clearly inspired by it would
have sounded like that if we if we chose
to do justice and funny enough that's
the song like I said we we want look in
a showcase for Bad Boy Records and all
that that's a song of course that
they're the guy that found us he loved
and thought that it could be our first
thing going all that and again you know
we were just like oh I'm not really sure
about that because we're not sure if
this one if this is the sound we want to
what you know just a paper creature take
sit back and relax recently for the tide
back to get bunk beds about my window
we play oh the Ducks have your piece
fuck the other half you so long
so what to know about I can make that
shop lights Annette
we know that deep
protection that the back bet step gets
off the set for bad faith suspect
section but marriage that respect
without left with Nexus manifest my stop
adds out wonderful pop you know small on
the thrill that slept on my still got
tell any song that means that represent
and did I mention we be dirty a section
New Jersey
some nights Annette we know that
step get-go Thanks look at me
marry slab respect could be interpreted
in different ways by different people
yes you know one thing one story I'd
like to share because the kind of
we had a pretty good friend of our band
he would always shows rehearsal and one
one night like four o'clock in the
morning and keep in mind I'm still
living at my parents
yeah the phone rings there I pick it up
and this person just said to me hey I
just wanted to let you know the lyrics
to shine convinced me not to kill myself
tonight and I'm really grateful good
night hung up and I was like what like
you didn't know you don't know who was
you don't know who was
you know but I came two days later at
rehearsal like did you really call my
hot that night
and he was like yeah thanks again you
believe I was in the dark place and I
was really about to do with and you're
there me not you and like animal phobia
crying at that point right then in there
yeah Matt mom kind of made me realize
the impact my lyrics could have to that
up until that point it was coming at
that moment that made me realize like
man I could possibly affect them live
with you know all right that was a
pretty big turning point for me to to
realize that I should probably take them
a lot more serious than then then I
previously was and again it really was
intentional because I needed to make up
for my lack of a singing voice used by
people that they were fucking
pacifically that was kind of crazy scary
to me because I you know that was never
mind tension but you know I see how
words get missed rune all the time and
are picking out context so it was just
kind of interesting to me like how
because because times have changed I
could see you like maybe they haven't
spent that
the time from that from that part
because I actually think people who the
lyrics were again you might think that
they were for them ironically enough so
yeah yeah okay do you guys have any
future plans for for your for or for
music or for the bands itself I mean I
know you guys are together per se but I
mean you mentioned something about
somebody putting out your songs now
again I mean I know you have them on
soundcloud too right yeah yeah all this
on soundcloud under my name dirty Larry
five-three-one I put them what's funny
it was I put them up years ago just to
do it you know here and there I don't
make some hip-hop beats and stuff after
elements I did a band called galaxy then
I where I played bass like you know I
just always kind of do try try to
continue doing music in some shape so I
just had my personal stamp out page like
anything I did I just threw it up on but
then I start getting like little random
comments on some of the stuff and it be
like so created it like it turns out we
have some fans and Sweden that I never
do about you know it's just like bonkers
to me but yeah you you mentioned I'm
working with the kid named Andrew he
ranked for her I believe it's no electro
net and he used to write for a web site
or the version of version
he's been like a huge supporter of
elements for like a good 10 years now he
actually reviewed the demos for us like
well not just for us he just reviewed
them because he he thought people should
be hearing this stuff even though at the
time it was like 15 years old so he's
just been an unbelievably positive you
know person that I've met that really
has supported the band and so he reached
out to me probably you know maybe a year
to go
he's always hinted at the fact like yeah
this stuff needs the proper release etc
etc a lot of bang
a lot of bands are doing reunion shows I
mean 20 years 25 years 30 year reunion
shows is that is that a possibility for
you guys at all or no I really would but
it's the original members and
unfortunately it's completely out of my
hands some of them don't necessarily get
along with each other anymore
so you know I've tried to reason and
plead with guys and say you know just
for the sake of the band let's just do
this you know and especially you said 20
25 year the 25th anniversary of our
first demo being released will be 2020
yeah so you know that also be a good
time but you know it's been discussion
people approach this like 10 years ago
an extreme long because I really would
want it to be it has to be the original
members because they're they're like did
I'm stress enough how important the bass
player jobber Jolly Roger to our staff
they they had a approach to the rhythm
in the blowing that not a lot of people
in the hardcore scene had and I still
don't think ever had like they were just
super talented dude that I was really
fortunate to play with and then again
like I said we got Scott on guitar we
had our original guitar player raft we
then had
Ray from you know one-to-one agents for
banging we have solid musicians yeah so
like you know I could I could try to do
some stuff where I get together some
some friends that could play the stuff
and I know plenty of them but to me it
just won't be the same without the
original guys unless you know something
miraculous happens unfortunately I
probably don't see it happening
you never know my hope will kind of if
we could maybe get this stuff properly
released like you know there was toxin
may be doing on 7-inch of both the demo
do you think there is an age limit for
for hip-hop singers online some aging
hardcore guys yeah I think if you put
it's weird if you put like some heavy
guitar riffs and guitars behind it I I
don't know how much of an age limit
there is but if you're really strictly
trying to just wrap I don't know it's
like kind of
doesn't come out right aging dudes like
I mentioned I did and we did elements
very like my line I never I had I did my
rhymes will further hip up to me I have
my lyrics you know I mean my lyrics and
they might have rhyme because I was used
to writing on but I treated them as two
very different entities completely like
I did not I did not want to be that guy
who was just lying over you if that
makes any sense
yeah so you know I you know again I did
it here and there but when I did I think
they're trying to do it like slightly
different you know at the end of the day
like I said I think it was just like the
early in time we had come out you know
two or three years later yeah I think a
lot of I think a lot more people would
have known about this for sure yeah so
yeah you know it is what it is can't
can't look back in life can't regret
anything and yeah I just gotta say it's
honestly bonkers to me that 25 years
later I'm doing the podcast right now
talking about the bag and that just
really blows my mind and lets me know
that perhaps
you know like here it's it's hard to
understand when you were part of
something how it might have impacted
other people to me it was just kind of a
bang that we did you know we even know
we were really passionate about it there
was a lot of ups and downs a lot of high
school but you know to just to have
someone even not to talk about it to me
five years later just really humbling
it's really it's amazing
people might notice that I repeat the
first is a lot that's one of my biggest
regrets ever but the truth the truth is
because I took writing the lyrics
seriously something it was usually
really hard to come up with two verses
at least the second verse that was as
good as the first verse so that's why I
attended because the truth is I just
really couldn't come up with anything
that was good as the first verse and say
you know getting back to what we talked
about in the very beginning we never
really intended the demos to be released
to the public we were using them to kind
of shop around to find the label who
might want to release this right yeah
that was because I only had one verse at
the time and the hope was that we would
record you know I just want to throw
that out there because one of my biggest
regrets and I actually have second verse
is written for most of the songs I did
it for myself just because I wanted them
to kind of be completed from my own end
yeah my first verse you know it's funny
let me interrupt you for a second I I
think I think I quoted you on some
Facebook post and you like responded
yeah that was me or something oh if you
remember that I quote it I quoted your
line you can be in Paradise or prison
it's all in your mind your inner vision
there's something because I tried to do
the thing where everything ended in
Asian yeah
with degradation but it's all a
fabrication check the nation you know
that burst took me quite some time to
write and get down because it's pretty
interested and the fact that I really
stuck to the whole thing of doing Asian
for every Brian basically that's a whole
bottle to write so it was really you
know I attempted to write a second first
but I never kind of kick off with
anything as good so when we laid down
the vocals I just repeated the first
verse yeah forty years ago I finally
wrote the second verse and it's still
all in the nation as well amazing I
guess I learned some new words over the
past 20 years or something those able to
pull that off so like that's kind of my
ultimate goal if we can re release any
of the stuff yeah I would love to
potentially get back into the studio and
add those second versus two a couple
couple of songs and which ultimately
would probably mean because I think the
older I got comfortable I can add those
second versus and all that stuff but
that seems like it could be a dream yeah
any social media or a website you like
to plug I guess just my personal
Instagram account it's official
alright man y-you know I want to thank
you for doing this and you know like I
said I just had a respect for your music
or like over many years I had a respect
for your music and your lyrics and like
I said I still pop it in every now and
then or just you know pull up stream it
whatever on soundcloud and you know it's
I keep using this word that it holds up
but I mean you know it's just a fact so
it's like you know you say you guys were
maybe ahead of your time a little bit I
mean maybe you were you know and just
thanks for doing this podcast and any
other closing words or whatever anything
we'll get the word out there you know
I'm really humbled and blowing away that
you give me the outlet kaduche don't
kill again thank you all right we want
to thank Larry for for doing this
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POD short for “Payable On Death” is a band that first caught my attention back in 1999 while working at 89.5FM WSOU, Seton Hall’s Pirate Radio Station back in my college days. One of the DJ’s was playing “Southtown” and my first reaction was that I thought it was E-Town Concrete. No dis to E-Town Concrete but the sound on Southtown was pretty similar to Etown, BUT after listening to enough POD songs, I can tell you that they are two VERY different bands even though they seem to be playing the same style of melodic hardcore with rap/hip-hop infused lyrics. If you listen to enough POD songs, you’ll realize that POD incorporates elements of rap, rock, hip-hop, metal, and reggae into their songs. There is definitely a certain groove to each track. E-Town also has a certain groove but they’re definitely more on the metal/rap-rock side.

Official video for POD’s “Southtown”

We may do a post on E-Town at some point in the near future but being on WSOU back in the mid-late 1990’s and working with my bro, Dan Dan the Hardcore Man on WSOU, we were one of the first radio stations/DJ’s to start playing E-Town on the radio. My bro was working his show “Hardcore Reality” and I remember him inviting E-Town up for an interview back in 1995. POD’s first album was “Snuff the Punk”, released in 1994 so I think they win in terms of who came together first.

So I was really digging “Southtown” but still really didn’t know the band all that well. “Southtown” was one of the band’s breakout songs off their album “The Fundamental Elements of Southtown”, the band’s 3rd studio album, released in the summer of 1999.

POD opening up the show at Starland Ballroom with “Soundboy Killa” off of “Circles”
Sonny autographed our photo collage with pics from Starland Ballroom show
Official lyric video for “Soundboy Killa”
Andy on stage with POD helping represent on “Youth of the Nation”
Official video for “Youth of the Nation”

Vision of Disorder

It’s easy for most people to quickly dismiss music that they don’t give a chance as “noise” or to say that “it all sounds the same”. Nothing could be further from the truth as it relates to one of my favorite if not my most favorite hardcore band of all time, Long Island New York’s very own VISION OF DISORDER. Now I’ll have to admit, my taste in music has definitely changed over the years. The first time I heard VOD, I also quickly dismissed it as “noise”. In fact, I’m embarrassed to say that I remember as a young college freshman (pre 89.5FM WSOU affiliation), my brother, who was a member of Seton Hall’s award winning college radio station (89.5FM), bringing home their debut CD in October of 1996 and promptly placing it into our home stereo system and cranking up the volume.

On a side note, RoadRunner Records was totally smart about their DJ promotions. When I eventually became a DJ, I loved getting the newest CD’s straight from RoadRunner in my WSOU mailbox. They smartly sent every on-air DJ a brand new copy of all of their newest releases and it no doubt made a positive impression on the jocks. At the time, I wasn’t a DJ and I did not get my own personal copy like my bro did but my first impression of VOD back then was not a good one. Now, mind you this was a kid of 18 years old who was still getting past my Nirvana, Alice In Chains, Pearl Jam grunge phase. I was starting to explore different sub-genres within the hardcore scene (NYHC, NJHC, old-school, punk, west coast, east coast, melodic, emo, rap infused hardcore, metal infused hardcore and various combinations of all the above).

Debut RoadRunner album (1996)
Formula for Failure Live off NYHC documentary

At the time I was also totally riding the RoadRunner Records catalog including bands like Sepultura, Life of Agony, Type O Negative, Madball, Dog Eat Dog, Shelter, and the list goes on. I’ll explore some of these other bands in future posts.

Also at the time, I was totally riding the local NJHC band scene following bands like Strength 691, Hundred Fold, For the love of... One 4 One, NJ Bloodline and Ensign, whom I’ll also explore further in future posts, but VOD’s debut RoadRunner album has aged very very well. This is a band that was WAY before their time in terms of lyrics, style, groove, and the list goes on. The green album has stood the test of time and is without a doubt a classic NYHC record. If it was released for the first time tomorrow, this is an album that could pass for a totally relevant up and coming NYHC band.

Prior to the debut RoadRunner release, VOD put out some demos and was featured on several compilation CD’s with other bands. Their ’95 demo is also a raw and raging preview into what was to come, with each song on the demo making its way onto a future CD release.

After their strong major label debut and months of touring, VOD went on to put out another killer album, Imprint in 1998 (also on RoadRunner). Imprint is without a doubt a musical masterpiece from beginning to end.

Imprint ~ Released in 1998 (click album cover to listen)

Unfortunately, it was their last release on RoadRunner and the band moved on to put out For the Bleeders on Go Kart records. This album contained most songs that were previously recorded on other demos or early comps but put them all together on one CD. The production on this particular CD is also pretty raw and even though Imprint is a raw production, For The Bleeders just doesn’t have the same production quality or feel. It is still a kick-ass record but the drop in production quality is noticeable.

After For The Bleeders, VOD found themselves signing to TVT Records with a much more if you will, mainstream sound.

VOD with a change of sound, making a somewhat mainstream sounding album on From Bliss to Devastation

There are a handful of people out there that liked to compare Tim Williams’ vocals to one of two people. On one hand you could hear the comparisons to Layne Staley of Alice In Chains. On the other hand, you can also hear the comparisons to Phil Anselmo of Pantera, who performed guest vocals on Imprint. Some time after the release of From Bliss to Devastation the band went on an indefinite hiatus. Tim (vocals) and Kennedy (guitars) went on to form the metal band Bloodsimple and Brendan (drums) and Mike (bass) formed Karnov.

After several years of performing in separate bands, the band reformed in 2008 and later filmed a killer performance put out on DVD, VOD: Dead In New York.

A live performance in Long Island that the band made into a DVD. Unbelievable live performance of many of their classic hits along with some of their newer tunes.

The DVD (as seen in the YouTube clip above) gives a good representation of the intensity and raw sound of a VOD show. My most recent experience seeing VOD was in 2014 at Stanhope House in Stanhope, NJ. The band played a limited number of shows in support of their most recently released album at the time (The Cursed Remain Cursed). Just a short clip I took of the song “Choke”. I was lucky enough to chat with Tim (vocals), Mike (bass) and Brendon (drums) after the show and got a couple of pics with the guys (seen above).

Show at Stanhope House in September 2014. I was all the way up front on top of barrier to be able to get these live closeups. My son was still too young at 5 years old to go to this show but I’m looking forward to taking him to one at some point 🙂

I remember telling him I was on WSOU at the same time they played the WSOU Boat show. He remembered that that was the same show that they played with Incubus around the time before Incubus “blew up” as a band. I go through phases in my music selections and in hyping myself up for this show, I was spinning Imprint a lot. I’m glad I got to tell Tim that in my opinion, Imprint is THE most badass album of all time.

This song is the ultimate in baddassery

When VOD did decide to put out a new album, they did not disappoint when they released The Cursed Remain Cursed (below). The band also put together a video for the song “Set to Fail” (below).


Let’s hope that VOD continues to provide the world with badass tunes for a long long time. Their latest effort Razed to the Ground was released in 2015.

Electric Sky

Check out the podcast interview found on SoundCloud (below). Tim talks about the beginnings of the band and the band’s evolution through the years. Enjoy!

Podcast interview of Tim Williams vocalist for Vision of Disorder